transcriptions from accidentally recorded table conversations

between János Sugár and Johan Sjerpstra

J. Sugár - /…/ ...it’s not bad, take the model of the diligent capitalist small tiger, proven in southeast Asia - and we are all the sudden facing a new state system: the capitalist dictatorship. The masses aren't too concerned about the cellars of the secret police, because life conditions are pleasant: nature, sea, sun, relaxation. As soon as life conditions somewhere become too pleasant (or too unpleasant?) a dictator can discipline sleepy citizens having a siesta (or shivering citizens sitting in an ice-cabin and licking frozen seal fat) with only a police baton. Now that the global warming is coming, the whole Euramerica will have a siesta at noon, bringing not the age of global information or communication society but the first age of air-conditioner. If the executive offices at IBM, Coca-Cola etc. get warmer the famous efficiency will end, everything will become sluttish. It will be the age of half-asleep, dozing policeman, flies buzzing around the servers. And then the Vikings will appear to take of the command of the sleepy world.

J. Sjerpstra - Are you familiar with the notion of morphogenesis? Rupert Sheldrake, outstanding English scholar and plant physiologist, in his book published in June 1981, outlined a fundamentally new vision of the world, according to which the universe is not directed by physical laws, but by the self-governing system.

This basically queries the premise of scientific thinking, which holds that the regularities extant in nature are dependent on such laws and principles, which are of eternal validity. As an illustration of the world view based on the concept of laws existing outside the realm of time, here follows a simple example: Let us take a newly synthesized, so far unknown organic compound, whose crystal structure is practically unpredictable, because the exact quantum mechanical calculations based on the qualities of its atoms, are so exacting that for the time being only approximative calculations can be made. Yet we firmly presume that the structure to be realized will be the sole structure which is theoretically predictable. It is an obvious fact however, that the same compound, if crystallized under similar circumstances, will again take the previous crystalline structure.

An essential feature of facts is that they can be interpreted in different ways. This can be done in our case as well, that is to interpret it in such as way that the formerly produced crystal of the compound in question influences, as it were, the process of subsequent crystallizations.

The morphogenetic spaces of past systems manifest themselves, within similar structures of the future, via 'morphic resonance', while they do not become significantly weaker even in case the old and the new systems are isolated in space and time.

J. Sugár - The conception might appear fantastic, but it is logically correct, and may provide appropriate interpretation to a number of physical, philosophical, ethical, esthetical and biological phenomena, and at the same time it can be generalized into a hypothesis. We might as well call this hypothesis the hypothesis of adaptable causality.

This means that knowledge is levelled up if all past systems of a given type have influence on the present, similar systems. Misinterpretations, gathering around facts as centers of inspiration, create connection between facts. Thus, any system may be conceived as a distorted, hypnotic message from a system preceding everything. If it is conceivable that there existed the single one, of which all contemporaneous systems are only morphogenetic descendants, then the present situation would be the unrecognizably distorted symbol of a certain meaning. Let us try to recognize in everything that element whose morphic resonance the world could possibly be!

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Johan Sjerpstra is a Dutch sociologist (as far as we know)